Axver ([info]axver) wrote,
@ 2008-01-21 21:42:00
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Entry tags:australia, birthday, grandpa, home, kapiti coast, life, melbourne, new zealand, raumati beach, tangiwai disaster

I got back from New Zealand this morning.

I've a mass of thoughts swirling in my head on different topics and it really is tremendously difficult to make sense of them or to put them in order. I suppose I shall try. I guess most insistent in the back of my mind is the knowledge that I probably just saw Grandpa alive for the last time. I am trying not to let this come to the front of my mind though, with varying degrees of success. Strangely enough, what bothers me the most is that I didn't say my standard "have a good one" to him when I left ... then I realise that was probably better, as I quite consciously chose to say "see you later". Because damnit, I am going to see him later. He's stubborn; he'll hold on as long as he bloody well can. Apparently he looks good at the moment; to me, he looked much worse than when I saw him in July 2007, but those who've seen him recently think he's improved as a result of his recent radiation treatment. That treatment is for comfort, however.

I got the chance to talk to him about Tangiwai, much more extensively than I expected. I was quite taken aback by the details I did not know, and remarkably enough, almost all of the family stories are true - and omit the most astounding parts! The only part that was significantly wrong was that he ended up in a tree; he in fact ended up on the edge of the river and somehow climbed the bank. He does not know how he did it. Those of you who've looked closely at the photos I have posted will surely agree with me when I say that it looks impossible. I will write up some more at a later stage in some kind of tribute.

I also find that on every trip, I miss New Zealand more - I guess because on every trip, it's even longer since I left, but it has never stopped being thoroughly familiar and entirely my home. I have a similar familiarity with Melbourne today, the Gold Coast unfortunately, and I'm sure if I went back, the University of Queensland's St Lucia campus and immediately surrounding suburbia too. However, it does not feel like home. It doesn't matter how many times I write "Australian" in response to customs forms asking "nationality as shown on passport", and it doesn't matter how much I love Melbourne and think it beats Wellington (or any other city I've visited) hands-down for livability. At the end of the day, it is not my home. I would give up anything, even my sense of independence that Melbourne gives me, to move back to my childhood home in Raumati Beach, have a job at Victoria University in Wellington, and do the looong commute every day. As much as I hate long commutes, I'd love it simply because of the part of the world I would be in. At the very least, I hope one day to have enough wealth to rock up at my childhood home and make the owners an offer they cannot refuse and establish it as a holiday house, somewhere to spend the summers away from Melbourne's heat.

Life moves too fast. It's weird that I'm 21. My father bought three wines in 1987 - well, obviously he bought more, but he specifically bought three, a red (for the life of me, I forget what, a pinot noir?), a late harvest riesling, and a port. We opened them after my birthday dinner and had a good evening drinking them. I seem to have acquired a taste for port. I grew up on wine, but only tried port sparingly and never really liked it, but the last time I had it was many years ago. However, the port actually proved to be my favourite, despite how much I love a good Kiwi late harvest riesling. It also turns out that I really do hold my drink extraordinarily well. I drank enough on both Saturday and Sunday nights to get most people I know fairly sloshed, while I did not even approach tipsy. That was pretty fortunate really, given the travelling on the days that followed both evenings. I incidentally had the longest birthday of my life. With family in New Zealand and Australia, I've had long Christmases and birthdays before, but my 21st managed to stretch from the day itself, the 17th, right through to the 20th when we had a lovely birthday lunch at Grandma and Grandpa's and a good barbecue back at Dad's place. Wow, that was only yesterday. It feels a world away.

I think most bizarrely for me, in the last week, I had a handful of moments - brief moments, but moments all the same - where I actually felt comfortable. I am not comfortable in social situations. My mind is always flying, always analysing. I cannot mentally relax, even if I look at ease to other people. I think I am actually quite good at putting up a kind of appearance of confidence, quite by accident as nothing could be further from the truth. However, being around certain people - both grandfathers and a couple of people in Queensland - actually put me at ease. I thought I would always be too nervous to talk to Grandpa about Tangiwai, but it was actually amazingly good ... I only returned to my standard discomfort when it was over and we went to eat lunch. I remember a time when I didn't find it this hard to relax and when I didn't subject everything to methodical and extensive thought and second-guessing. It was nice, albeit unexpected, to have brief returns to that.

So there's a smattering of thoughts, all very tired as I have been up for 20 hours after only a modicum of sleep. I hope all of you had a good few days. I took shitloads of photos, so I'll make some entries in the coming days that present them and more closely detail where I went and what I did. My photography sucks but it hopefully does the job.



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[info]evilmissbecky
2008-01-21 12:30 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad you had such a good visit with your grandfather. You should maybe consider writing up his experiences. I don't mean to suggest that you could capitalize on the tragedy, but his story would almost certainly be of interest and fascination to the rest of the world. I know I'm very intrigued by it.

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[info]axver
2008-01-22 02:18 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I've every intention to put it into print one day. I thought to do that even before I talked to Grandpa, and afterwards, now knowing what happened - it is a story that has to be told. One of my academic interests is the social role of the railways in New Zealand's history, so it slots into that very easily.

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[info]liamtreasure
2008-01-21 03:17 pm UTC (link)
To put your mind at rest: My grandfather has had throat cancer for 12 years. He's had treatment for comfort the entire time. Not recovery, comfort. He's still around, and still fighting fit.

And yes, life does go too fast, my girl's 21 in two months. :)

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[info]axver
2008-01-22 02:19 am UTC (link)
Wow, really? That's pretty impressive. At this point, I think they're giving Grandpa only a couple of months - I don't think anybody is expecting him to hold on past the middle of the year, though if anybody's going to fight through to 2009, I think it's him. The problem is he didn't get diagnosed until it was a bit late, so that's not helping matters.

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[info]liamtreasure
2008-01-22 02:24 pm UTC (link)
Well, if it's for comfort, and he feels comfortable, then he's going to feel better, even if not great.

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[info]screwtape2
2008-01-21 09:32 pm UTC (link)
I hope your grandpa gets better.

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[info]axver
2008-01-22 02:20 am UTC (link)
Thank you.

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[info]augustine
2008-01-21 11:10 pm UTC (link)
I'll be praying for your grandfather...

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[info]axver
2008-01-22 02:20 am UTC (link)
Thanks, it's appreciated. :)

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[info]khanada
2008-01-22 01:58 am UTC (link)
i'm really sorry to hear about your grandfather. he'll be in my thoughts. i hope something happens where, like liam's grandfather, maybe he can at least be free of pain, if he's unable to continue treatments.

on a happier note, that's cool that your dad bought bottles of wine the year you were born to keep around for your 21st. is 21 a sort of milestone over there? just curious, because that sounds more like something we'd do over here in the states since you can't legally drink until then (although i knew few people who waited until then, but i digress). i've never been a big wine drinker though, it gives me horrible hangovers/migraines on even the smallest amounts so i just don't drink it.

yes, i want to see photos!

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[info]axver
2008-01-22 02:25 am UTC (link)
Thanks. Things seem pretty advanced now, but he's fighting it and the radiation treatment's helped a good deal. Whether he can keep being treated though is unknown, especially as his local hospital doesn't provide it, necessitating a flight to Christchurch.

21 is considered a milestone, but I honestly could not tell you why. I think the drinking age might've once been 21, though that was well before my time, and I think well before my parents' time too! I suppose it's still the time that a lot of people consider to be the transition to full adulthood; personally, I'd say that's the 20th, but I'm evidently in a minority.

I grew up drinking wine, i.e. I've been drinking the stuff as long as I can remember. I know for a fact I was allowed a sip or two when I was three. By the age of eight, I already had a favourite wine! So I think that really built up a tolerance. It was really cool when Dad got out the three 1987 wines.

I intend to do a photo entry today!

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[info]khanada
2008-01-22 03:09 am UTC (link)
you're welcome. that's good, i always think when the person fights it they've always got a better chance. i totally understand about some hospitals not providing treatment and things like that.

i'm not sure whether you're referring to australia or new zealand, but from googling, it looks like the drinking age has been 18 in australia since 1972, and in new zealand since 1999. it seems it was 21 in australia before that, and 20 in new zealand before that.

my dad drinks wine a little, but he can't really anymore because of health issues, and my mom can't have wine for the same reasons i can't. so really, i didn't grow up being around people drinking wine. it's kind of weird, but at least it's not like it's something i love and i really can't have it. bono and i have the same kind of reaction to it i think, and i certainly wouldn't want to be like him all the time!

yay!

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[info]axver
2008-01-22 03:34 am UTC (link)
Apparently in the South Island, only Christchurch and Dunedin have cancer wards that can do the radiation treatment. I suppose I'm not that surprised. Small country and whatnot.

Since 1999 in New Zealand? I find that hard to believe. I know some people have recently wanted the drinking age raised to 20, but I was always under the impression that it had been 18 during my lifetime.

I think it's funny - and daft - how Bono keeps drinking the stuff despite his reaction. No, you don't have to play the cultured rockstar, Bono! Just write some decent lyrics again, please.

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[info]khanada
2008-01-22 03:57 am UTC (link)
yeah, that's not entirely unsurprising. like you said, it's a small country. i'm sure the father you get away from the bigger cities in new zealand, the harder it is to find proper treatment for things like that.

yep, according to several sources i came across, that's what they said. one news seemed to be the most reliable.

i know! there are plenty things out there (wine, peanuts, certain aged cheeses, etc.) that give me terrible reactions - basically migraines. at least i'm not one of those people whose throat closes up when i eat something made with the same utensils something else was that had peanuts, but still. i don't like the effect, so i avoid them. i guess he doesn't think passing out in restrooms is an unpleasant enough reaction to stop drinking red wine (i think it's just red wine, he said, i've never heard just wine be mentioned).

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[info]axver
2008-01-22 04:14 am UTC (link)
Yeah, exactly. He's in Nelson and they can do chemo and that sort of thing, but Nelson's only got about 45,000 people so its hospital isn't exactly set for too much stuff. It's a shame though, as Christchurch is either a flight or a lengthy drive over difficult roads away.

Huh, weird. The New Zealand Herald confirms that too. I suppose that for me, it was never an issue what the legal age was as my parents were quite happy to let me sip their drinks and we never had problems letting me sample the wine at vineyards. Sometimes at restaurants, Mum would get a glass of wine purportedly for her and I would drink it.

Yikes! Though I'm not sure what would be worse, migraines or projectile vomiting, which is what I do to certain foods. That's certainly an unpleasant enough reaction to make me stay away from extremely delicious-looking desserts loaded with egg!

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[info]khanada
2008-01-22 04:53 am UTC (link)
oh wow, that is pretty small.

yeah, i know what you mean. i think i was a year old when the drinking age was raised from 18 to 21 here, but my parents weren't the "not until the very moment you're 21" type. when i was like 18, my mom would go and buy me whatever i wanted so it could be consumed at home. i remember one time she bought me vodka so i could make jello shots.

ugh, projectile vomiting sounds terrible! i really don't know which one sounds worse out of the two! are you allergic to all things egg, or is it just in its raw form? like can you have things like cakes and such?

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[info]axver
2008-01-22 05:34 am UTC (link)
Haha, small? As a Kiwi, I think it's pretty big. It's the largest centre in the South Island north of Christchurch. Wikipedia says the urban area has 68,000 people - I assume that includes Richmond and Stoke too. The second largest centre in the northern part of the South Island is Blenheim at about 34,000. If you think that's small, though, the largest town on the entire West Coast of the South Island is Greymouth at 13,000 or so. Westport and Hokitika, the other two towns of note, don't break 5,000.

I don't get the stigma against alcohol and how some parents hide it from their kids. It's the easiest way to create irresponsible drinkers. My parents always let me have alcohol in responsible amounts, and I've grown up as someone with a good tolerance for it and little desire to go out drinking much.

I can eat some foods where the egg is in small amounts and cooked through, e.g. my mother's chocolate cake has a single egg and I'm fine with that. But most mudcakes are bad news due to how much egg they require.

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[info]khanada
2008-01-22 06:27 pm UTC (link)
yeah, although as far as the u.s. goes, that seems so small! the town i grew up in, kissimmee is about the same size, and it's just a suburb of orlando! (arguably the theme park capital of the u.s.)

i know! i think to raise kids and tell them how anything is wrong until you reach that magical point in your life (alcohol is wrong until you reach legal drinking age, sex is wrong until you're married, etc.) all it does is make them want to go out and do those things. and when they do, they won't be educated about it at all, because the parents haven't taught them anything except abstinence being the only option. sorry, that's never a real option. tell your kids about the good and bad points of alcohol, let them try it. like you said, it'll be a lot better for them.

ahh, that's good. i was hoping at least recipes that call for one egg (where then the food is baked, like in cakes) wouldn't be bad. but i can imagine custards and things that basically call for raw eggs wouldn't agree with you.

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[info]axver
2008-01-23 11:16 am UTC (link)
Ha. Growing up in New Zealand really gives you a different sense of proportion - everything overseas seems big. Even stuff in Australia that I should be used to still seems big. I have a hard time believing I live in a city that nearly has the population of my entire home country.

Exactly. Education is the key. If you teach kids about something in a responsible way that shows them the pros and cons, then they won't go stupid. Teach a kid why alcohol can be a bad thing and they're less likely to binge drink. Teach a kid how to have safe sex and they're less likely to screw the first thing with two legs and a pulse that comes their way in a desperate bid to find out what's so great about this taboo that they can't go near until marriage. Almost everybody I know who binge-drinks and has caught an STD or had an abortion had parents who just said "you can't do this, you can't do that".

Yeah, custards are really risky. Most commercial ones these days tend to be safe as they're all processed and if there is any egg, you're bloody lucky, but I have to be on my toes around home-made ones.

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[info]khanada
2008-01-23 06:35 pm UTC (link)
oh yeah i'm sure. i'm used to living in big cities (well, technically suburbs of big cities, but still) so i can understand. it is funny though to put it into perspective like that.

exactly. it's always seemed to me the people who appear to be the most straight lined are the ones who end up screwing up the most. the ones who pledge abstinence - well, look at britney spears. wasn't she all about that stuff when she first came onto the music scene? i can't remember. even if she wasn't, like you said, the ones who act all like that are the ones who seem to end up "screwing up" the most.

oh yeah, i'm sure commercial custards are fine. they probably end up cooking the eggs a little too to make sure the eggs aren't raw anymore and stuff.

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[info]axver
2008-01-23 10:28 pm UTC (link)
What's most weird is going back to where I grew up and realising it's at least twice as big as when I left. Kids growing up there now would have a totally different sense of proportion to what I had. Perhaps even those of my generation who didn't leave developed a different sense in the teenage years.

If you aren't told about the risks, I think the odds are you'll go off the rails worst because you just see it as this exciting taboo with no negative consequences. I mean, if you just think getting drunk is something fun and know nothing of its dangers, hangovers, spiked drinks and date rape and whatnot, of course you'll be more careless. Or if you're completely unfamiliar with STDs, why would you even think to use protection? The most effective education is not "ABSTINENCE ONLY!", it's, uh, education. Neutral and factual. But religious fundies (or flaky dolts like the aforementioned Britney) don't seem to possess much common sense ...

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[info]khanada
2008-01-23 11:27 pm UTC (link)
oh yeah, just due to population growth and people moving around from one city to another, cities here have grown too. i kind of hate seeing here how large cities have become. like i said i'm used to living in suburbs all my life (aside from that year i had my own apartment when i did actually live in memphis), and i haaaaaaaaaate how people spread out. they'll move to the closest suburb, then when that gets too big and crowded and overgrown, they move to the next closest one, and so on. local governments really need to start doing more about sprawl.

anyway, yeah, living in a smaller town is totally different compared to a larger town. my grandparents lived in a tiny town, or at least they did when i was a kid (they moved there when i was a baby). i think even you'd think it was tiny: in 2000, wikipedia (i'm surprised there's even a wikipedia page!) says their population was 246! and that was definitely one of those everyone knows everyone type towns, and i can imagine growing up there, if someone saw you doing something you weren't supposed to do, someone would tell your parents and you'd be held accountable for it. and like you said, your sense of proportion is definitely different. a smallish big town seems big to you, but to someone living in a big town, it seems so small! i don't even want to know what the rest of the u.s. seems like to people living in new york city. i'm sure every city seems ridiculously small. "no population of 15 million? oh how quaint."

exactly! the risks need to be stressed. don't just tell someone "sex is evil and you'll go to hell if you do it before you're married!!!!! but once you're married it's a beautiful and sacred thing and lets you make babies!" all it does is make a kid go "huh? well i'll just go ask my friends then..." and their friends will probably be just as confused, or go "well i had sex with my boyfriend at 15 and i'm fine" but no one will know anything about things like contraceptives or stds. it's ridiculous, growing up i had sex ed in school (and my parents told me stuff too) but now it seems thanks to fundies controlling the government, they're pushing for more abstinence-only education, which is pretty much the same as no education. tell me how telling a person to not have sex until they're married tells them anything about sex? how does that protect them against herpes? or tell them what to do if someone they're with has chlamydia? like you said, it's got to be neutral and factual. showing teens slides of what it looks like when girls and guys get warts may gross them all out, but it will hopefully make them think twice about having unprotected sex.

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[info]axver
2008-01-24 12:52 am UTC (link)
The sprawl in the US is just amazing. No wonder you guys have next-to-no public transportation; it works better in more dense areas! Though some cities here are shocking too, since around the 1950-70ss there was a tendency to follow US practice for urban planning. Personally, I actually don't mind the inner city as I don't have to waste time tending to gardens or anything like that!

Wow, 246. Yeah, even to me that's a small town. To me - well, Raumati Beach had about 3,000 when I was little, but all the little towns on the Kapiti Coast blur together - good luck telling where Paraparaumu, Paraparaumu Beach, Raumati Beach, and Raumati South stop. I lived in Raumati Beach, but our local petrol station, less than a 2 minute walk away, was in Paraparaumu. To me, any town over 1,000 is a decent size. I'm sure the Wairarapa settlements of Featherston and Martinborough seem tiny to outsiders, with populations around 1,000-2,000, but I consider them to be ordinary towns. What strikes me most about the growth in Raumati Beach is that when I was little, you recognised everybody - you might not know them or have even spoken to them, but their face would be familiar. Now? When I go back, there's nobody I recognise and it's so much more crowded.

I hate to think how confused people are when they get abstinence education. They're getting two contradictory messages: "sex is bad, DON'T DO IT!" and "marriage is cool because then you can have sex!" My high school actually did mainly abstinence education, and we all laughed at it. Though at primary school in grade 7, they gave us something a bit more connected to reality and I remember how everyone was all "eww, sex is gross, I'm not doing that when I grow up!" afterwards.

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[info]khanada
2008-01-24 02:49 am UTC (link)
ugh, i know. don't get me started on my hatred for sprawl. i am a huuuuuuge fan of living in large (by whatever that country's standard is), urban cities with plenty of public transportation. when i lived downtown, i wanted to work for the electric company only because they were on the trolley line. and yes, i totally agree with you on the lack of gardens as a positive! my allergies and laziness make it a bonus for me. i think flowers are gorgeous of course, but they make me miserable when they bloom so i associate that with them more than anything, so i'd rather do without them. i've always said if i were ever crazy enough to actually own a home, i'd dig up all the grass, flowers, etc. and just fill it with rocks and maybe some non-pollenating stuff like cacti, even if i didn't live in the desert. i'm allergic to just about all that stuff, even a lot of the grasses, so i'd rather just do without.

hehe yeah, it is a small town. it's getting a little bigger as they're developing a little bit more, and now that my grandpa has passed away and my grandma lives with us now, i've not been there since 2002, but they were putting more developments in there. but still, it was your typical small town: huge lots with tons of space, and they only had one traffic light. the nearest shopping of any kind (other than a smallish grocery store) was like an hour away. it was nice and calming to visit, especially for christmas when it was all picturesque with the snow and such, but i'd kill myself if i lived there.

wow, i don't know if i've ever even lived in a city with 1,000 people. the smallest place i've lived was probably the town port st. john, in florida. now there's a little more than 10,000 people there, but i know someone who still lives there (who coincidentally i didn't know then, i actually met them via the split enz forum and through us talking, i found out he lives in the same town, practically down the street from where i did) that it's just boomed over the past ten or so years there. i suck at guessing, especially since i was like 11 when we moved, but if i had to guess they probably had like 7,000 people then? but of course putting that in perspective with the u.s. population, much less the florida population (18,000,000), that's pretty small. it's funny though, just hearing you describe the town you grew up in, neighbouring towns, etc. i'm like "oh wow new zealand sounds so cool!" i know i'm a dork. but really, i hope one day i get the money together to go visit.

i know! can only imagine how confusing it must be for kids and teens. i wonder if they even teach sex ed to kids anymore. they started sex ed when we were in like fourth or fifth grade (i forget, i only remember which school i was in at the time, which narrows it down a bit). this stupid puritanism crap pisses me off.

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[info]axver
2008-01-24 01:03 pm UTC (link)
In an ideal world, I would like to live in a quiet Kiwi country town, or maybe even have my own plot of land in the country that I can pay other people to maintain. In reality, I can't, and the inner city is probably better for me. Melbourne's a very nice city anyway, and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else at this point in time. Everything is close to me, I can get around easily, and the culture's great. I'd much rather live in inner Melbourne with all their history and culture than soulless suburbs where everything looks the same and you actually need to own a car.

And wow, why the hell does a town with 246 people have a set of traffic lights?! Raumati Beach STILL has not got any. It doesn't even have a round-about! In all of the Kapiti Coast on the southern side of the Waikanae River, there is one set of traffic lights and two round-abouts, and I think that's probably got about 25,000 people. No traffic problems to be seen.

Hee, yeah, 7,000-10,000 does sound small in a US context, especially as everything in the US seems so fucking big to me. New Zealand only has five centres with over 100,000 people, and only greater Auckland passes the million mark. I think greater Wellington is about 600,000 but I'd have to check. You really do need to go, especially to the South Island. Like I said in an earlier comment, the largest town west of the Southern Alps is a bustling metropolis of 13,000! It's such a wonderful part of the world, laidback and quiet. And it even has trains for me. Rock on.

I'm pretty sure grade seven was the youngest we got any sex ed, but I was pretty well educated beforehand. I don't know how, I don't remember Mum ever sitting down and having "a talk" with me. I did have some "body book" for kids that was all honest about everything, and I was just very inquisitive about EVERYTHING when I was little. Hell, I still am. But some kids just grow up so amazingly ignorant. I can't believe people fall for shit like "you can't get pregnant your first time", but if all you've been told is "ABSTAIN!" and that sex is BAD outside marriage, you probably don't have a bullshit meter to detect lies about sex.

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[info]khanada
2008-01-25 06:02 am UTC (link)
yeah, i totally agree with you on that. living in the country has never really appealed to me, but you and i definitely share a hatred of suburbs. and they definitely do all look the same.

you know, i don't even know why they have a traffic light. it's at the main street of the town and a street that takes you to most (maybe all?) of the homes. for the longest time it'd been just a stop sign. i'd never seen traffic backed up, but i guess maybe in the morning and evening when everyone's going to and from work, it's needed. but yeah, when i was there i still never saw tons of cars on the main street that would've prevented anyone from turning (which would've been the case if there'd still been just a stop sign there).

i definitely agree with you about the us seeming big. i've been to maybe 1/4 of the states (i don't remember the exact total, i'd have to think about it) and that just seems so small. but really, putting it in context, it's like saying how many countries in europe someone in germany has been to. i'd love to visit all 50 states one day, but if i had to pick between that and travelling to other countries, i'd pick the latter.

ha! i had one of those books too. i remember it even had a chapter about homosexuality, it talked about this kid who had a divorced dad i think, and his "uncle." i thought that was pretty cool, it presented everything in a very neutral way. it didn't say homosexuality was bad, it just said it was when two people of the same sex were attracted to each other. it had tons of pictures, which was a bit more than i'd wanted to see when i was a kid, but i guess it answered any underlying questions i would've had. and yeah, i've heard all sorts of ignorant stuff about pregnancy like what you said, it's ridiculous. if i have kids i really hope i have the balls to talk to them about it, but if i don't i'll at least find them a book that explains everything in a neutral tone. i'd make sure they knew all about birth control and everything, so this way if one of their uninformed friends ever said anything they could be like "what are you talking about, my mom said..." and just totally own them.

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[info]axver
2008-01-26 04:06 am UTC (link)
Living in the country appeals to me if we're talking about some really beautiful, pristine part of New Zealand with nobody to bother me, and with a small service town easily accessible. But if we're just taking ... Iowa or some shit, hell no.

I suppose part of the thing is that US road rules are so fucking arse-backward and not at all conducive to traffic flow. So I can imagine that in even a small town, the jerky, slow right-of-way rules and the seeming obliviousness to round-abouts means that a set of traffic lights goes in. I swear, driving in the US just pissed me off. Whoever wrote the rules has no concept of how to keep traffic flowing.

I'd like to visit all 50 states too. And all Canadian provinces/territories, Aussie states/territories, and Kiwi rugby provinces (as that's our best measure). In order, I'm 7/50 + DC, 0/whatever, 3/8, and 24/30. Though in terms of visited-more-than-just-the-airport, I'm only 4/50 for the US and 23/30 for New Zealand. Some of my Kiwi ones are fairly tenuous too - I technically have been.to Taranaki and the Bay of Plenty but I don't really think I've been there PROPERLY. In any case, it'd be cool to say I've been to all 50 states in one of those political debates when someone tries to deflect the topic by asking me "what do you know, non-American?" I could just come back by asking how many states they've visited! "Hmm, I've seen more of your country than you have. I'd shut up if I were you!"

Ha, I don't remember my book covering homosexuality. I wasn't even really aware of it as a kid, and I certainly didn't think much of it. But I think we're generally more accepting of it down here. I mean, who gives a shit? If a guy wants to love another guy, good on him; I hope they're happy. Sure, we've got some fringe fundies who make noise, but most people think they're a laughable joke. It does seem, however, that any formal legislation recognising gay couples is a long way off though. :(

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[info]khanada
2008-01-27 09:11 pm UTC (link)
yeah, that does sound nice, but like you said if it's somewhere where it's just small, boring, and bland then it's like...why?

driving in the us is insane! i'm lucky because during rush hour i'm still at work so i don't have to deal with it, but those odd times where i do work 9-5 or something...god help me. i hate it. here they wait until every interstate, main road, and back road is bursting at the seams and then they decide to add a lane on each side somewhere. it's ridiculous. i remember in 2005 when we were driving to louisville, we were warned about the construction in nashville. it's all done now, and from the looks of it, it seems they added at least two lanes on each side of the interstate. plus, there's a parkway in what i guess is technically the suburbs, that had lanes added too. i've been on the interstate there during rush hour and it's still terrible, but it just doesn't seem as bad as it does here.

if you count just setting foot in the state (including things like being at an airport there, driving to that state just to say you've been there and turning around, etc.) then i've been to 24/50 states, plus dc. but if you just include states i've actually been to, the number isn't that much lower. it'd probably be something like 20 plus dc, but for that i'm just guessing, because i closed the map. (i obviously know where all the states are, but i have to look at them all and remember which ones i've visited and which ones i just kinda stopped at briefly or something which to some might not count.)

yeah, even though the book i had covered it, i wasn't really aware of it until i got older. my parents raised me to be a tolerant person, so it's not like i went around thinking i was better or different than anyone else. i was very, very disappointed though when the legislature was passed making it a (state) constitutional ban for homosexuality in our state. i voted against it, but i guess either we don't have enough democrats here (this is more or less a blue state) or not enough of them were for equality.

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[info]axver
2008-01-27 11:57 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I don't need to look at flat corn fields 24/7. But if it's like ... some small out-of-the-way valley in the Southern Alps, and every morning when you look out the window you think "holy shit that's beautiful" and it makes you happy to get up, that would rock.

The Interstate system didn't seem so bad. I was actually impressed at how extensive it was. I mean, you'd never find anything like that here. Not outside the major cities, like how you've got these huge roads linking places. Though it probably says something about comparative car ownership rates. What drove me nuts were rules for driving in just regular suburbia, like how traffic does NOT flow at intersections without lights because of your arse-backwards right-of-way rules. I couldn't tolerate this one-goes-at-a-time stop-start jerkiness.

I really wanted to see more, but it seems planning stuff is difficult! Shame I couldn't just rent a car myself and do whatever. But yeah, I've only been to airports in CA, IL, VA, and DC. KY, TN, GA, and MA I've actually been to properly. I'd really like to go to the northwest. It sounds like the one part of the US that is approaching sanity in a socio-political sense. I'd rather a kick in the head than living in the South.

I can't say I was surprised when a number of US states voted for the constitutional ban. Since voting levels are so low, it seemed to just be a way to mobilise the fundie right to vote. "OH NOEZ NEED TO STOP TEH GHEY" and whatnot.

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[info]khanada
2008-01-28 12:15 am UTC (link)
yeah, exactly. a beautiful view would be one thing, but something boring...eh. i'll take a big city, thanks.

the interstate system in nashville is good. here, it's getting there. if you live out in the suburbs though (i guess i should say the suburbs of suburbs, thanks to sprawl people are moving further and further away and are still working downtown or wherever), they essentially have to drive out to where i live and then go into town that way. it's kind of ridiculous i think. and yes, driving in the suburbs is horrible. the traffic lights (here at least) are not synchronised at all. you get one red light...and the next, and the next, and so on. they kind of go in clusters so if you get one, you either have to floor it at a green light to get out of the loop (assuming you're first) or just deal with it for the next few lights until you get in the next loop. the city of memphis claims they can't synchronise our lights. yet, other cities have done it without any problems.

i've never been to the northwest, and i've actually never had any desire to. i'm a bigger fan of the eastern part of the us, but the southwest is great too. there, you get the benefits of living elsewhere in the south (warm weather, etc.) without as many fundies. of course that all depends on where you live, some southwestern states are even more republican than tennessee. if i could pick anywhere in the us i wanted to live, i'd pick baltimore, maryland.

yes!! it upset me so much that so many states passed the ban. i make sure to go out and vote for every election we have here, even if it's just for dog catcher or something "unimportant." (although i think even the smallest of government positions affects what happens to our city, county, state, etc.) i try to be as well-informed as possible, although for some elections, it's impossible to find information on those running, or if there's 50 people running, it's impossible to keep everyone straight. so sometimes i do just go in and vote for the democrat. but regardless, i vote and i try to be educated about it.

to me there is no excuse for not voting. people think bush bought his way into the presidency or whatever? well if more people had turned out to vote for gore or kerry (depending on which election we're talking about), and it'd looked more hard to believe that bush had actually won, maybe something more could've been done about it. but i remember when gore took bush to court about it, everyone acted like he was a sore loser. in a close election like that, there's nothing wrong with demanding a recount! now if he'd dragged his feet again and said he wanted another recount, then yeah, i would've said he just couldn't admit he lost. but it angers me how outspoken everyone is about this and that when it comes to the government, and yet when it comes time to vote, no one does!

and yeah, don't even get me started on the ban. some of these fundies acted like if they kept homosexuality legal in their state, they'd "catch the gay" or something.

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[info]axver
2008-01-28 12:28 am UTC (link)
Though my view here in the city is pretty fucking dull. I can choose to look at a small concrete entryway, a carpark, or other flats. Joy.

Hah. What you guys need more of is round-abouts. Though I noticed the one in Franklin, nobody has a fucking clue how to use. Here, plenty of people seem incapable of figuring out properly, but ... it still works. It avoids unnecessary traffic lights. Though they really should be avoided on the tram lines! I've seen far too many close calls because people don't know what to do (STOP, YOU MORON!) when a tram's about to run through the middle of a round-about.

I can see why people in the US have such electoral burn-out though. I cannot believe some of the stuff you people vote on. I mean, you seem to vote on things like judges and whatnot. But that shouldn't be a popularity contest! And goodness, all of these fucking primaries and voting every TWO YEARS! for the House of Representatives. Holy shit. It seems insane. Here, in any given three years, we will have had a federal election, a state election, and a local election. And you're just voting for your representatives, not for laws and propositions! You elect politicians to do all that shit for you! The only time we ever vote on laws is when the federal government takes it to a national referendum, and that's fairly rare. There's only been one during my ten years in Australia.

I really am astounded to see how few people turn out for the primaries. It will be interesting to see what the turnout will be for this year's federal election. Fuck, Obama better be the Democrat nominee. I don't see Hillary mobilising people to vote. You know, I'd suggest you guys need compulsory voting, but 1. I don't believe in it and wish Australia would do away with it, and 2. if that many millions just don't want to vote - I hate to think how poorly politically aware they are! Do you really want them voting? They're probably morons who'd just vote for the first person who says "tax break!" or "bomb the infidel". I have absolutely no faith in US politics, US politicians, the US voting public, etc., to deliver remotely sensible results. Not after Iraq, homophobia, Bush, etc.

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[info]khanada
2008-01-28 12:47 am UTC (link)
around here we've got a few round-abouts. it seems most of the ones around here people seem to know what to do, but the one at the outdoor mall here seems to be kinda bad, because it combines cars and pedestrians. i think it's just that particular part of town, because the people around there just cannot drive. they'll be in the right lane, which is right turn only, and they'll realise "oh! i want to go to the stores on the left!" so they'll try to pull in front of you. oh hell no. i all but ride the guy's ass in front of me so no one will cut in front of me. but then when i get to the round-about, i'll wait and wait to get on, and come to find out...the car was getting off, but didn't signal. or i'll be walking, and someone will nearly run me over because they forget pedestrians have the right-of-way.

yeah, i'd rather do things that way, instead of the way we do it here. i like being able to get my say, but like you said, i'd rather elect someone who would then pass the laws for me. i do wish too we could have some sort of limit put in place for mayors. i hate our city mayor but morons in this city seem to keep reelecting him! i think it's mostly a racial thing. the guy who'd been mayor before him was a standard old school white guy who seemed to be a racist. (i say seemed to because i didn't live here when he was mayor.) it was like it was still the 50s here, people tell me. then, they elected a black mayor, and of course all the blacks continue to vote for him, even though he doesn't have their best interests at heart. he doesn't have anyone's interests at heart, just his. he's one of the few corrups democrats i've encountered, and i hate him. i voted against him last time i could (the last time his reelection came up, something wonderful happened. i was able to vote for neither him nor our county mayor, despite us being part of both memphis city and shelby county. thanks!), which was back in 2006. there was talk of impeaching him, but nothing came of it.

i agree about obama. i voted for him in the primaries, even though he wasn't my first choice. i just wanted him to win over hillary. and no, i really don't want compulsory voting!! you'd get the kind of people who think obama is a muslim and all sorts of crap they hear other uninformed people uttering that they get forwarded via email.

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[info]axver
2008-01-28 01:15 am UTC (link)
I was amazed when Kate told me how people in Franklin use their round-about. I think it was something along the lines of nobody actually using the inside lane, just sticking to the outside even if they want to go 270 degrees around. Well, I guess if it works for them, but it was so WRONG and just absolutely poor usage of the round-about. It might as well have not been there. Here, I wish they'd emphasise round-about rules more in driving exams. AND USING YOUR FUCKING INDICATOR! I hate when you sit there, waiting for someone to go through - and then they just dart off despite not indicating, and you could've gone. I also hate those overly hesitant people who sit there forever and never make a move. Ugh. I hate that I could drive better than so many people but my vision prohibits me.

I find it interesting how much more controversy you guys have over term limits. Here, we don't have them and yet the issue rarely even comes up. A lot of people don't even think about it. It would be a good idea, though I suppose it doesn't suit a parliamentary system quite as much. It would've been good if Bjelke-Petersen, corrupt premier of Queensland for 27 years, had had a limit, but his premiership was just a ministerial portfolio like the Transport Minister or whatever. The Prime Minister (or the state Premier) is just first among equals. We also don't have nearly as much of the race element in our politics, but that's partly because Aborigines have been grossly excluded. To my knowledge, none has ever seriously contested leadership of a major party. Though they have been elected to parliament.

I was very pleased to see Obama's thumping win in SC. Why the fuck didn't Edwards pull out after that though? I mean, a few months ago, that was his sure-win state, and yet he just got completely DESTROYED. Why keep wasting the money, and more importantly, why keep hogging votes from people who'd otherwise want Obama on Super Tuesday? I'm really nervous about Super Tuesday. Hillary better not fucking do well.

I can't believe those "Obama is a Muslim" and "Obama = Osama" e-mail things, or that people take it seriously. At the election here last year, in one seat, members of the Liberal Party made some fake leaflets that made it look like Islamic terrorists supported the Labour Party. As soon as it was discovered, it was a HUGE controversy and what was meant to be a close seat and likely Liberal win turned into a landslide in favour of Labour! I don't see that happening with "Obama is a Muslim" despite the fact that it's long since been publicly debunked!

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[info]khanada
2008-01-28 04:15 am UTC (link)
yeah, that is pretty lame. all the round-abouts here are pretty small and are just one lane, so that's not really a problem here. but yes, like i said before, i hate when people don't signal! when i'm behind someone and they just stop (obviously because they're waiting to turn), i honk. i mean, as far as i'm concerned, they're just sitting in the middle of the road for no reason! i don't get the laziness in that. especially now as so many people have those fucking bluetooths in their ear, it's not like it's the stupid "oh well i'm on my cell phone i can't possibly turn on my signal!" excuse. but don't even get me started on that. you're in a CAR. which weighs several tons. you might want to make that your top priority over your phone call, starbucks, radio changing, etc. i don't get why driving seems to come last for most people.

yeah, i guess the american government just lends itself to corrupt politicians more than other countries seem to. although as far as term limits go for the president, i know we didn't have one until the 1940s, after roosevelt passed away. he'd been in his fourth term when he died, and they limited it to two, i think because that's how many george washington served. (i'm not sure if that's the reason, but i seem to be good with presidential trivia.) i think that's pretty ridiculous, so many people elect the president, if we want to have the same president for 50 years, who cares? and looking at it optimistically, clinton could've served a third (and maybe fourth, if he thought he'd been up for it) term then. it's amazing to think how different things would've turned out if that had been a possibility.

as much as i like edwards, i'm not sure why he and anyone else who's not in first or second place is still running. the only good thing i can say is my state, tennessee, is part of super tuesday. i voted in early election and i made sure to vote for obama because i want him to carry this state over hillary. the good thing is (i think i already said this) i don't know anyone in this state who likes hillary, so hopefully that means they'll all get their asses out between now and thursday when early voting ends - or on super tuesday, and vote for obama.

i know!! it just boggles my mind how simplistic people can be. when he gave the keynote speech in 04, i kind of did a double take at his name, just because it was so unusual, but i never for one second thought he was muslim or had terrorist sympathies because his last name sounds like osama or his middle name is hussein. i mean come on, he's named after his dad! and he hadn't seen his dad since he was two, and his dad has passed away! so i doubt even if his dad was a terrorist (which he wasn't), it wasn't like he had plenty of time to mold him to be just like him. the whole thing upsets me because i can't believe after all this time how ignorant people can be. so what does that mean? if someone was running for public office and it turned out their great-grandparents were nazis, that means that person is too? i know i don't hold the same opinions as my parents, much less my great-grandparents.

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